Abstract:
Last week in Reno, Nev., an American veteran named Jim Brossard pulled up outside of a local Hispanic-owned bar. Brossard had heard of the bar on local talk radio and had heard that a flagpole outside the bar was flying two flags, one Mexican, the other American....
Originally posted byJed
""It's probable that the bar owner meant no offense""
Please tell me how a citizen (which the bar owner claimed to be) does not know what he was doing would be taken as an offense? Anyone with any sense would know that to fly a forigen nations flag over the one of the nation you are in is an offense in any country.
""anti-Hispanic sentiment sweeping the country""
Meaning I have no argument that is in the right so I will play the race card.
Originally posted byJason
Although I agree that the manner in which Jim Brossard removed the two flags is disgraceful to any country's flags, I do not agree with the article stating that the "purely symbolic" aspect of the American flag being violated is an everyday occurrence that the law over looks. The symbolism of the flag, depending on the form of the flag, dictates the reaction of people and the law. This cannot be misconstrued!
The author of this article contradicts themselves by stating constitutional laws or limited aspects of symbolism that makes no sense. If "Brossard desecrated the Constitution of which the Stars and Stripes is but an emblem," then surely the author is stating that the Constitution is not harmed since, in their opinion, the Starts and Stripes is but a mere emblem, not a symbol of the United States Constitution.
And we cannot assume the intentions of the bar owner. There are no quotes or evidence to base your claim that he flew "the American flag as a sign of love for this nation (The United States of America)." The author of this article could of instead said the bar owner "probably" flew BOTH the Mexican and American flag for love of their heritage, and nation respectfully. But instead, the author ignorantly stated that the American Flag is just a symbol that even federal law does not recognize. The hate crime of the Mexican flag is most definitely unjust, but the American flag cannot be generalized as a symbol that can be freely used as a means to focus on a hate crime just because it is constantly violated. Focus on the hate crime and the person who committed it, the issue at hand.
I am not going to assume you are a Veteran of the Armed Services (United States Military), nor an immigrant. But I am both, and I can tell you, that I am thankful that I live in a country that ALLOWS me to burn my flag, if I so desire too, make a statement against my country supporting my right to freedom of speech per the Unites States Constitution, and does NOT allow me burn another country's flag in order for our people and country to respect other nations around the world!
Originally posted byjeff
I really can't believe people are actually agreeing with this guys actions. You can't just rip down people's property because the symbolism is "disrespectful." Just because the guy is a veteran does not mean he is the enforcer of the flag rules for everyone else. I saw this news story, and people like this want to make me piss on the flag and burn it right in front of him.
Originally posted byjeff
I'm betting you won't Jeff. I'm also betting you have been told how to think for years. But, do me a favor? Please let me know if you decide to go through with it, I'd love to be there.
Originally posted byjeff
I really can't believe people are actually agreeing with this guys actions. You can't just rip down people's property because the symbolism is "disrespectful." Just because the guy is a veteran does not mean he is the enforcer of the flag rules for everyone else. I saw this news story, and people like this want to make me piss on the flag and burn it right in front of him.
Originally posted byJim
Those who criticize the reaction to Mr. Brossard's actions fail to see the anger building in America over illegal immigration. It also helps to tell the backstory about immigration raids in Reno and the Hispanic outcry that followed. The question most americans are asking is why do hispanics cry foul when we decide to finally enforce our laws? When, in that climate, someone sees a Mexican flag flying above an American one, it's bound to make them angry. This wink, wink, nod, nod immigration policy has been going on for over 20 years, and americans who have lived a little, and think for themselves have had to endure it. To defend illegal immigration and non-enforcement is to condone all the illegal immigrants that die trying to get here. It also condones all the people killed by illegals once they are here. Not to mention our own poor who have to directly compete for jobs (a race to the bottom). No matter how you slice it, americans are fed up and aren't going to take it anymore.
Originally posted byMatt
I sit at my computer at 4:45 in the morning reading this article and the comments posted with it. I wonder towards the future of this country and this democracy which I have protected, debated, criticized and somedays just let completely frustrate me. As an American, (not a African American, a Hispanic American, a German American or any other sub-branch of American) I support Mr Brossard's convicts where I may not support his actions. We as a nation have become very divided by those whom pursue ther own agendas. I see the eventual downfall of the United States of America. I have two wonderful daughters attending MIlls College and the Univeristy of San Francisco, I fear for their futures and their generations to follow because our country is changing and very little of it for the good.
I am 42 years old, which I state only as measuring stick. Personally I am happy that anyone wants to hold onto their heritage and love their past but I am greatly offended by the bar owner who did not have the common sense that his actions would be viewed by some as an afront to this country and to those who consider themselves patriots of it. Foreign flags flying over the soil of the USA without proper observance of the flag code angers me to great depths. I will make it simple, if you are so proud of your homeland that you choose to fly ot fly its flag over the Stars and Stripes over without the Stars and Stripes, please take that flag back to its national soil and fly it there with pride. You get to choose what you want to be and if it is first and foremost not an American, go home. I know it sounds harsh and ignorant but I am tired of rampant politcial correctness in this country, I am tired of the fact that I can not say Merry Christmas because someone may be offended or that Father's Day has been cancelled in schools because some mother did not want have to tell her child why he has no daddy. We try so hard to offend no one that we offend everyone.
I close by saying that I begrudge no one the opportunity to come to the United States of America to pursue their dreams and better their lives. I just request that you become part of the solution of uniting this country and not choose to buy into the dividing forces in the country serving themselves and getting rich off the backs they so claim to be protecting.
Jed
posted 10/12/07 @ 6:30 AM EST
Please tell me how a citizen (which the bar owner claimed to be) does not know what he was doing would be taken as an offense? Anyone with any sense would know that to fly a forigen nations flag over the one of the nation you are in is an offense in any country.
""anti-Hispanic sentiment sweeping the country""
Meaning I have no argument that is in the right so I will play the race card.